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Craig Newmark at Inman: Craigslist in 70 Cities


Craig’s List Founder Craig Newmark made another of his regular visits to Brad Inman’s stage at Real Estate Connect today, which is taking place in San Francisco. Newmark, who humbly refers to himself as working in customer service, noted that Craig’s List is now in 70 cities and receives over 50 million unique visitors a month. Those visitors look at over 20 billion page views a month.

Craig’s List has been taking a beating from law enforcement officials over its adult ads and other subjects, but Newmark says that the complaints are not really making much of an impact. “People like to manufacture controversy,” he says. But Craig’s List remains both “a business and a community service.”

In fact, the service has generally made strides in most areas, thanks in part to the addition of more customer service employees. The service now has 35 employees.

“The most complaints are in New York,due to abuses of apartment listings. But “there has been a big improvement. It is better than it was five years ago,” says Newmark, who also answered personal questions and discussed government issues. In answer to an audience question, he noted that he did not find his girl friend on Craig’s List. He also says that a pre-nup between them is the “subject of negotiation.”

AIM Group Projects Craigslist Revenues at $122 Million


Craigslist has always been murky about revenues, and remains a free site for most categories. It only charges a commercial rate for recruitment, with listings costing just $25 in 17 markets and $75 in San Francisco. Fees for apartment listings (in New York) and “adult and therapeutic services” ads fit into the nominal fee category, assessed mainly to track who is advertising and to limit ad spam.

Indeed, site leaders Jim Buckmaster and Craig Newmark have made a big point of saying they have enough money and don’t need to pump up the revenue machine – much to the frustration of eBay, which owns about 20 percent of the site.

But even with its modest feel levels, and mostly free status, the reality is that Craigslist is actually beginning to make real money, according to a new report and forecast by the AIM Group. AIM Group (Peter Zollman, Jim Townsend et al) says that Craigslist is poised to earn $122 Million in 2010, with profits between $88 million and $99 million.

Recruitment accounts for more than half of the site’s revenue, and roughly 17 percent comes from the New York-only apartment fees, says AIM. The big surprise is the projection for sex ads, which will bring in 30 percent of the gross. AIM notes that represents three times its projections for Craigslist sex ads in 2009.

eBay Rebrands Kijiji as eBay Classifieds (in U.S.)


More than a year after it became apparent that it would do so, eBay has finally killed the Kijiji brand in the U.S., and rebranded its efforts as “eBay Classifieds.” The rebranding, which does not impact more established Kijiji-branded sites in several international markets, is accompanied by a cleaner interface and some new features, including a mobile app, better spam filters, improved customer support and easier cross-sells and buying with eBay’s main auction/buy-it-now site.

Unchanged is eBay’s value proposition of its classifieds as a “safer, easier, friendlier” classifieds provider than Craigslist and others. The mobile app might especially gain leverage against Craigslist, which doesn’t have one, claiming its unencumbered site loads so quickly that it isn’t necessary. Top categories for eBay Classifieds include motors, pets, goods, services, housing, jobs and personals.

eBay has chosen to refocus on classifieds instead of launching major new local hub sites that would fully integrate eBay Motors, auctions, classifieds and PayPal. This, in fact, was its tentative plan couple of years ago. In addition to the eBay Classifieds/Kijiji sites, eBay owns a number of leading vertical/classifieds sites in the U.S. and abroad. Most of its classifieds operations are based in Europe.

Insights into eBay’s Classifieds Strategy via eBay vs. Craigslist


eBay is expected to dramatically boost its efforts in classifieds in 2010, so we welcome clues into its historical and current thinking into classifieds via eBay vs. Craigslist. eBay has been seeking redress from Craigslist, which has diluted its 28 percent ownership share to 24 percent in a bid to squeeze out its influence. Craigslist, meanwhile, is seeking to force eBay to sell its shares, saying that eBay had an oral commitment to dispose of its shares if ever chose to directly compete against the company, a la Kijiji.

Highlights: eBay feared Google’s entrance into classifieds via Craigslist, and wanted to buy Craigslist as a pillar for a broad international vertical and classifieds play.

As noted in AimGroup’s excellent, comprehensive coverage of the trial, pretrial depositions showed that EBay’s initial vision was to merge all of its acquired classified titles into a single entity that included Craigslist. eBay also believed Craigslist wasn’t fully monetized and that it could add immediate value with its expertise in product search, trust and safety and international expansion. Another reason that eBay wanted in with Craigslist was to prevent Google from taking a similar position.

But it quickly became apparent that there was a major culture clash between “Top Down” managed eBay, which sought to maximize profits, and “Bottom Up” managed Craigslist, which was driven by its appeal to its community – a position that it took so seriously that it consciously took out an “.org” URL.

Craigslist also turns out to be very conscious of its public image. Desiring not to look greedy to its users, Craigslist did not publicly reveal that Craig Newmark and Jim Buckmaster received $16 million in “extortion money” from eBay to allow it to receive shareholder rights.

A major issue in the trial is whether there was an agreement that eBay would dispose of its shares if it started to compete against Craigslist, as it did in 2007 when it launched Kijiji , and stated buying search ads on Google to divert Craigslist users. While eBay acknowledged that there was some kind of understanding, it was never formally included in a contract. Indeed, Buckmaster testified that he felt that eBay was using sensitive, proprietary information to build its competing brand. He said eBay’s behavior directly lead to Craigslist taking its actions to dilute eBay’s shares.

A decision in the case is expected in early January. The judge in the case has said that both sides will be unhappy with the outcome, and he scolded them for not reaching a settlement.

Wired: ‘The Tragedy of Craigslist’


The glory of Craigslist is “its size and its price,” notes writer Gary Wolf in a provocative dissection of the site in the September edition of Wired. But “Craigslist is one of the strangest monopolies in history, where customers are locked in by fees set at zero and where the ambiance of neglect is not a way to extract more profit but the expression of a worldview.”

Wolf, unable to get much out of CEO Buckmaster and founder Craig Newmark in terms of their business vision, a typical experience, is especially frustrated by the site’s primitive technology. “It is the most important community site going and yet the most underdeveloped,” he writes. “ Think of any Web feature that has become popular in the past 10 years. Chances are Craigslist has considered it and rejected it.”

Sometimes, however, Craigslist’s primitiveness just works. The simplistic site, for instance, makes for a natural, fast loading mobile app. Whether or not you like the “people power” politics of the site’s leaders, which excludes all marketers from the table, Wolf concludes that the site just doesn’t have to be so bad.

He talks to several top designers, who all are quick to acknowledge that the site does its job, and then some. But it could be easily improved. Remodelling ideas would highlight search, line up columns, and recognize visited links. Open up the gates, Mr. Buckmaster!

Village Voice Media: Jumpstarting Online Efforts


The conventional wisdom is that alternative weeklies have their best days behind them. But that’s clearly not the position of Village Voice Media, which owns 15 titles reaching about ¼ of the 7.6 million alt weekly readers in the U.S.

President and COO Scott Tobias notes that VVM has aggressively moved online in the last 2.5 years. Online currently represents 20 percent of the company’s revenue. Title revenue is complemented by revenue from national features (BackPage,com, which is claimed as the largest classifieds site after CraigsList, and Likeme, a ratings and review site) and networks (Voice Local Network and Ruxton Media, which is on the slate to be rebranded).

At the local level, the company’s especially zeroed in on breaking out VVM’s vertical strengths, particularly in restaurants, music, arts and calendars. “We are the number one in music page views in all of our markets,” says Tobias. “We’re number 1 or 2 in food.”

Unlike daily newspapers, “we do just a few things and we do them very well,” he says. Everything is tailored around the core 18-34 year old demographic. Tobias adds that vertical strengths should pick up as new widgets are applied that direct traffic directly to the individual verticals.

Tobias also likes the company’s chances in transitioning its traditional local advertisers to the Web. More than 12,000 advertisers have participated with the local titles over time, and local online revenue has been up 90 percent in the past three years. Local, in fact, represents 85 percent of the company’s revenue, lead by such categories as small mom and pop boutiques, clothing, bicycles, furniture, cellular and general retail. “We’ll help (SMBs) build traffic,” he says.

Potts: Yelp Squeezing Newspapers, like Craigslist Eating Classifieds


Local media consultant Mark Potts writes in his blog that “Yelp is doing the kind of fundamental damage to newspapers’ traditional local entertainment listing and reviewing role that Craigslist did to classifieds.”

For Potts, that means more bad news for newspapers. “The last really defensible franchise for newspapers is local news and information, and local entertainment, dining and business listings and guides are a critical part of that franchise—especially in the ways they can attract advertisers.”

“What’s happening is that Yelp now has enough crowdsourced participants and reviews of enough businesses in enough markets to be a truly useful tool in trying to decide what to do for entertainment (and more). Combined with search and geo-location (Yelp’s iPhone app is indispensable), Yelp is becoming a very powerful tool.”